Last Thursday I attended a recording of the new (as yet unaired) BBC Radio 4 show ‘Dilemma’, hosted by Sue Perkins. The format of the show involved Sue posing hypothetical moral dilemmas to her four panellists who generally went off on tangents about their own-life experiences or thoughts on the dilemmas, but eventually had to make a decision on what they would do. Interestingly, on the night I attended it seemed like the show decided to focus a bit on environmental morals. One dilemma focused on a climate change tax on airfare and the entire last section of the show featured a NIMBY-ist “choose your own adventure” type series of dilemmas that had each panellist deciding on a dilemma that arose due to the previous panellist’s choices.
As someone who frequently feels like banging my head on the desk every time I read a tabloid (wrongly) screaming that environmental policies price the poor out of heating or eating or travelling, I was aghast to hear Perkins pose the carbon tax dilemma to her panellists as something along the lines of “If you could add the entire cost of the effect of airline carbon to the cost of airfares and save us all from climate change, would you do it if it meant that it would only make flying available for the very rich?”
I was also rather perturbed to hear one of the panellists (I assume he was moderately famous to be a panellist but I didn’t know who he was and can’t remember his name) when posed with a dilemma of placing a recycling plant within his neighbourhood reply with, amongst other comments something along the lines of “China and India would produce more waste in a day than we could ever hope to recycle in our lifetime”. Even IF this was true, this is a ridiculous argument for justifying a ‘do nothing’ reaction from developed countries – we should be attempting to recycle our own waste which saves energy and resources. Whether we should do this or not is not affected by what other countries do. If his argument had instead been that the recycling plant should have been moved to India or China, this would have been perfectly valid argument; the money that would have been spent on a plant here could perhaps build a larger plant there, therefore increasing recycling. But of course that wasn’t the argument he was making – he was simply trotting out the same kind of populist (I imagine the panellist thought he was ‘cool’ by having views contrary to logic, just like teen smokers) blather you read on comments to news articles which reinforces the views of others who have the vague notion in their mind – a “blind leading the blind” situation. Imagine how much more influential it would sound coming out of the reputable BBC!
I therefore had my own dilemmoo for the night: Do I sigh, accept that that’s the way people are going to think and that the Beeb have the freedom to broadcast whatever they want? Or do I stand up in the middle of the show and shout “You’re wrong!” and continue to have a discussion with the writers and panellists during the show?
Well, I did neither of those. Rather, in the hopes that I would be able to influence the editing of the show and change future content, I dropped the following into the ‘other comments’ part of the feedback form sent out by the Beeb following the show:
… I thought one of the dilemmas posed in this show did not reflect facts. This is dangerous going out on a public service because it would fan misinformation further and make people more likely to think that tackling environmental issues is too expensive/highly inequitable or not for them.
In other words, YOU could be responsible for dangerous climate change. The dilemma I’m referring to is the one that refers to raising flying costs to include the carbon cost.
Internalising the full cost of flying into the airfare would NOT make flying only affordable to the rich. An average fare increase of 25 euros (http://www.eraa.org/issues/environment/164-internalisation-of-external-costs) is not really breaking the bank. It may result in LESS vacations for poorer people, but not none whatsoever given a baseline that they would normally go on a vacation involving air travel.
(It would also, as one of the panelists pointed out, shift people onto alternative forms of transport such as trains or ferries for instance to Europe or other parts of the UK.)
So I guess in addition to the dilemma posed being just wrong, the panelists just weren’t knowledgeable enough about the area to make a good argument. This includes one of the panelist’s inane comment that China and India cause more problems in a day than we could ever hope to fix in a lifetime. So maybe you should just steer clear of policy-type dilemmas. Or just get smart panelists.
Sorry about the rant, and I know this is meant to be good light-hearted entertainment, but I think it is important that when it comes to climate change, misinformation isn’t spread (as it is dangerous to implementing good policy to mitigate climate change), especially through an organisation with such a high reputation such as your good selves.
To be fair to the show and the other participants, I enjoyed it apart from those two points, and Sue Perkins and the lovely Scottish woman who had a thing for Gillian Anderson also seemed quite disturbed by the NIMBY/populist reactions of the other participants.
Now in the format of the show, it’s over to you readers. Do you agree/disagree with what I did? What would you have done?
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Related past moos:
In “Are you low-carbon today?” Daisy talks about recycling in Beijing
In “Booing domestic flight bans” I wrote about taxing airfares rather than banning domestic flights